I HAVE A QUESTION I HAVE A 0.00 COND REST/INGITION INTERLOCK AN BLEW INTO THE MACHINE .GOT A FAIL BUT THE VECHILE STILL CRANCKED.CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHY IT CRANCKED UP?
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Quintank: It probably depends on what device youhave. Mine has done that, and I immediately pulled over, swished with water and re-blew within 5 minutes, and whatever sugar alcohol residue was gone so that it passed. This has happened twice, both food events. I have made the choice to *never* eat in my car and always carry water with me. With my device, before the parameter change, we only got a warn if it was above 0.02. So, anything below that passed and we drive but dont realize the device has recorded a miniscule number and sent to the DMV.
Especially since, NC (or at least one local Monitech..... who really knows the true answer?) has changed the restriction parameters. Before, it was easy to get a "warn" if you ate in the car and had a transient 0.012, for example. Now - get this - after the re-set, you get a fail for a 0.004. Supposedly this is a DMV ruling, but I had a hearing this week (rolling test 0.012) and the Hearing Officer didnt know anything about the change!??
It is soooo disheartening to not be drinking at all, and still be warned and failed and just the hassle in general for these devices. And knowing that if there are too many ""errors,"" you could lose your license again and/or have to add another year to the device, but you havent even been drinking!!!
The punishments never end and keep getting more and more unreasonable for this (vastly) victimless crime. Why cant someone with some sense and some power address this? People who havent had to deal with these things just assume all kinds of nasty things about people who have dui's. The assumption that the person 'must be lying' about drinking in the car.... so ridiculous. The assumption that, this is a mechanical, computerized device; of course there could be nothing wrong with a mechanical, computerized device, right?
My next goal when I can afford is to get a dash cam. So when I have more problems (a given,) I can prove without a doubt that I am not drinking and I am the one blowing.
Especially since, NC (or at least one local Monitech..... who really knows the true answer?) has changed the restriction parameters. Before, it was easy to get a "warn" if you ate in the car and had a transient 0.012, for example. Now - get this - after the re-set, you get a fail for a 0.004. Supposedly this is a DMV ruling, but I had a hearing this week (rolling test 0.012) and the Hearing Officer didnt know anything about the change!??
It is soooo disheartening to not be drinking at all, and still be warned and failed and just the hassle in general for these devices. And knowing that if there are too many ""errors,"" you could lose your license again and/or have to add another year to the device, but you havent even been drinking!!!
The punishments never end and keep getting more and more unreasonable for this (vastly) victimless crime. Why cant someone with some sense and some power address this? People who havent had to deal with these things just assume all kinds of nasty things about people who have dui's. The assumption that the person 'must be lying' about drinking in the car.... so ridiculous. The assumption that, this is a mechanical, computerized device; of course there could be nothing wrong with a mechanical, computerized device, right?
My next goal when I can afford is to get a dash cam. So when I have more problems (a given,) I can prove without a doubt that I am not drinking and I am the one blowing.
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As a bit of an update; Had nothing but problems with my machine all weekend, didn't drink AT ALL, didn't eat before or during driving, blah blah blah. Turns out, amongst all the errors, (blow longer, hum louder, invalid sample, ect) one was a tell tale sign the unit had a 'technical malfunction' (this is what the 'tech' told me today, while replacing it with another unit) Now lets see here.. THREE DAYS OLD? and it is failing? And when they dumped the data, the 'invalid sample' DIDNT EVEN SHOW UP!! NOT EVEN ONE!! (I had seen many, at least half a dozzen in two days) Tech says; "ya, it happens. just got a lemon ha ha" WTF?!?!?! This is insane..
Wanttosucceed; I second your sentiments, something must be done here.. this glorified money grab is disrupting and destroying peoples lives.. and as a previous poster mentioned, I think it is time for people such as us (The REAL victums here) to start lobying for OUR rights.. DAMM ; drinkers against mad mothers.. I like it.
Dont get me wrong, I'm TOTALY for harsh punishment and fines/etc for people who DO comit a crime (killing inocent drivers, causeing damage to property and the like) but the way its set up now, they might as well charge u with rape for dancing with a girl at a club...or charge u with murder for slaping someone. This is turning into a police state, and u are no guilty intil proven inoccent. And there is no way to prove it..
Wanttosucceed; I second your sentiments, something must be done here.. this glorified money grab is disrupting and destroying peoples lives.. and as a previous poster mentioned, I think it is time for people such as us (The REAL victums here) to start lobying for OUR rights.. DAMM ; drinkers against mad mothers.. I like it.
Dont get me wrong, I'm TOTALY for harsh punishment and fines/etc for people who DO comit a crime (killing inocent drivers, causeing damage to property and the like) but the way its set up now, they might as well charge u with rape for dancing with a girl at a club...or charge u with murder for slaping someone. This is turning into a police state, and u are no guilty intil proven inoccent. And there is no way to prove it..
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That is very good advice but it seems more trouble than it is worth. Just don't plan on driving drunk and you will be ok.
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Sambo
That's a good way to get yourself killed. There's a reason bottled gases are considered hazardous to transport
That's a good way to get yourself killed. There's a reason bottled gases are considered hazardous to transport
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I live in Georgia and have had the Smartstart interlock for some time. I was only supposed to have for six months has now been a year and a half. (Troubles with DMV, my problem) To the people on here that boasts the "Don't drink and drive and conform." FU!!! You can not even have drinks at night with your friends if you have to start vehicle the next day. I am allowed six violations per month. None of those cost me money except the monthly calibrations. It is an entire lifestyle change. I can have two beers blow in the machine and pass. I do it for shits and giggles. However, I can not have six beers in the evening, wake up the next morning and pass. I do not condone drinking and driving as well as others on this thread, but, these machines are meant to change you. IT IS NOT THE GOVERNMENT'S JOB TO DO THAT!!!! The machines are not as high tech as they claim either. My truck was parked for four months and they tried to charge me for taking out machine. The tech had to call them and let them know that the machine was still in my truck. Not trying to be difficult, I did wrong and paid my price. These machines are pieces of shit and just another way for our government to make money. It is almost like suspending your license for not paying child support. A lot of sense that makes...
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@Trob
you can get a 2 beer buzz, and are complaining that you can't get 6 beer plastered? Check with your probation officer on what this is about. The point is to show you that the alcohol residual is stll in your system the next morning... That you aren't as sober as you think you are.
you can get a 2 beer buzz, and are complaining that you can't get 6 beer plastered? Check with your probation officer on what this is about. The point is to show you that the alcohol residual is stll in your system the next morning... That you aren't as sober as you think you are.
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Every time you blow into the device it records your BAC. Its not just pass or fail. If you are blowing into the device with low levels of alcohol in your system a lot then it shows in their report. The person reading the report can conceivably think that you have an issue with being addicted to alcohol. You may not, but thats what it looks like on paper.
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Either you work for the system or have a "perfect" interlock system, if there is one.
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Please do not make accusations of me working for the system. A very simple search of my post history would show that I had a device and had to go through the same steps as most people. I had no issues with my device partly due to researching which one to get beforehand. I did get lucky and get a great installer. Quality of install goes a long way.
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Stacey, BK, Riv and others,
I've asked. My insurance adjuster says sure there's accidents without alcohol, but it's the ones with that have the serious injuries. He's concluded that drunk drivers tend not to swerve or brake, so the hits are much more serious.
My PT acquantaince recently happened to mention that the bad injuries always seem to be from drunk driving accidents. She commented that the people who come to PT from an accident 10-15 years ago and are in pain now again, it's always a drunk driving accident. I asked if they'd done PT to begin with - yes, they have.
Texting is very distracting. Beyond that, the majority of other stuff just doesn't come to the level of devastation that drunk driving does to people's lives and families. Both are choices that are controllable.
It's not a victimless crime. It's a waving a loaded gun in a crowd, waiting for it to go off. Also, while you were driving, how many people had to swerve or worry or drive less safely themselves as they were distracted by how you were driving.
Mistakes happen. And this one is a pain to deal with. But reading through this site and the amount of excuses used... these IDs make a difference at getting a good number of people to start making different choices.... who wouldn't otherwise.
I've asked. My insurance adjuster says sure there's accidents without alcohol, but it's the ones with that have the serious injuries. He's concluded that drunk drivers tend not to swerve or brake, so the hits are much more serious.
My PT acquantaince recently happened to mention that the bad injuries always seem to be from drunk driving accidents. She commented that the people who come to PT from an accident 10-15 years ago and are in pain now again, it's always a drunk driving accident. I asked if they'd done PT to begin with - yes, they have.
Texting is very distracting. Beyond that, the majority of other stuff just doesn't come to the level of devastation that drunk driving does to people's lives and families. Both are choices that are controllable.
It's not a victimless crime. It's a waving a loaded gun in a crowd, waiting for it to go off. Also, while you were driving, how many people had to swerve or worry or drive less safely themselves as they were distracted by how you were driving.
Mistakes happen. And this one is a pain to deal with. But reading through this site and the amount of excuses used... these IDs make a difference at getting a good number of people to start making different choices.... who wouldn't otherwise.
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Hello everyone.
Why nobody wanna to change or replace this useless IGNITION INTERLOCK for more better equipment or is not 21 centuries?
I found some very interesting facts or tests yours BAC records.
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Ethyl Glucuronide (ETG) Alcohol Testing
Request Information Packet
What is Ethyl Glucuronide?
Ethyl Glucuronide (EtG) is a direct metabolite of beverage alcohol (ethanol). Its presence in urine may be used to detect recent alcohol consumption, even after ethanol is no longer measurable. The presence of EtG in urine is a definitive indicator that alcohol was ingested.
Key Benefits of Using EtG test Include:
• Detects recent usage more accurately and for a longer period of time than standard testing
• Ideal for zero tolerance and abstinence situations
• Strong indicator of alcohol ingestion within the previous 3 to 4 days
• EtG is only evident when alcohol is consumed and is not produced as a result of fermentation
• Allows monitoring in alcohol treatment programs
• Acts as an early warning system to detect t rends towards relapse
• Tests are performed by LC/MS/MS on state of the art equipment for accuracy and reliability
• Thirty-six hour turnaround time from receipt of specimen
• EtG may be run on urine specimens in conjunction with other drug testing panels
How long can EtG be detected in urine?
Traditional laboratory methods detect the actual alcohol in the body, which reflects current use within the past few hours (depending on how much is consumed). The presence of EtG in urine indicates that ethanol was ingested within the previous 3 to 4 days, or approximately 80 hours after ethanol is eliminated from the body. Therefore, EtG is a more accurate indicator of the recent injection of alcohol than measuring for the presence of ethanol itself.
How accurate and reliable is the EtG test?
EtG is a direct metabolite of alcohol (ethanol), and its detection in urine is highly specific, similar to testing for other drugs. Add to this, our lab utilizes the most sophisticated, sensitive, and specific equipment and technology available, LC/MS/MS, to screen, confirm, and quantitate EtG. This methodology provides highly accurate results. A in the case with any laboratory test, it is also very important to obtain clinical correlation.
Can residual EtG be detected in the urine of long-term alcoholics who abstain?
Studies indicate that alcoholics in abstinence have no detectable levels of EtG in their urine after approximately 80 hours of detoxification.
What about urine alcohol produced by fermentation?
EtG is only detected in urine when alcohol is consumed. This is important since it is possible to have alcohol in urine without drinking. Alcohol in urine without drinking is due to the production of ethanol in vitro. Ethanol in vitro is spontaneously produced in the bladder or the specimen container itself, due to fermentation of urine samples containing sugars (diabetes) and yeast or bacteria. Since the ethanol produced is not metabolized by the liver, EtG will not be produced and will therefore not be detected in a urine containing alcohol as a result of fermentation.
How stable is EtG in urine?
Studies show that EtG is stable in urine for more than 4 days at room temperature. Recent experiments indicate that heating urine to 100 degrees C actually increased the stability of EtG. Therefore, heat does not cause the breakdown of EtG, it actually increases stability. In addition, no artificial formation of EtG was found to occur following the prolonged storage of urine at room temperature fortified with 1% ethanol.
In general, what methods are used to detect EtG?
Methods to detect EtG include immunoassay (EIA or ELISA), gas chromatography/mass spectrometry (GC/MS), liquid chromatography/mass spectrometry (LC/MS), and liquid chromatography/mass spectrometry/mass spectrometry (LC/MS/MS). Immunoassay methods are of limited specificity and sensitivity with a limit of detection of approximately 1000 ng/mL. GC/MS and LC/MS methods are much more specific than immunoassay, and offer detection limits of approximately 500 ng/mL.
LC/MS/MS methods utilize the most technologically advanced instrumentation currently available in forensic and clinical toxicology and provide the highest sensitivity. Our lab utilizes an LC/MS/MS instrument for the confirmation of EtG, which has a limit of detection of 250 ng/mL.
Will the use of incidental alcohol, such as mouthwash and
Over-the-Counter (OTC) cough syrups trigger a positive result?
Tests show that “incidental exposure” to the chronic use of food product (vanilla extract), hygiene products, mouthwash, or OTC medications (cough syrups) can produce EtG concentrations in excess of 100 ng/mL. However, if measurable ethanol is detected (greater than .04 gm%) in the urine, and EtG is also detected in excess of 250 ng/mL, then this is very strong evidence that beverage alcohol was consumed.
Most alcohol abstinence programs require an agreement to avoid all products containing alcohol, including: mouthwash, Nyquil, OTC medications, etc. Consumption of these products could produce a positive test for alcohol and/or EtG and would thus violate this agreement.
Where can I order a urine ETG alcohol test?
Please call us at 800-989-1206.
Drug Testing Network, Inc.®
958 Postal Way, Ste 6-B
Vista, California 92083
Phone: 1-800-989-1206 • 760-940-2015
Fax: 760-940-0345
Copyright 2008 ©
All rights reserved.
Why nobody wanna to change or replace this useless IGNITION INTERLOCK for more better equipment or is not 21 centuries?
I found some very interesting facts or tests yours BAC records.
[www.drugtestingnetwork.com]
Ethyl Glucuronide (ETG) Alcohol Testing
Request Information Packet
What is Ethyl Glucuronide?
Ethyl Glucuronide (EtG) is a direct metabolite of beverage alcohol (ethanol). Its presence in urine may be used to detect recent alcohol consumption, even after ethanol is no longer measurable. The presence of EtG in urine is a definitive indicator that alcohol was ingested.
Key Benefits of Using EtG test Include:
• Detects recent usage more accurately and for a longer period of time than standard testing
• Ideal for zero tolerance and abstinence situations
• Strong indicator of alcohol ingestion within the previous 3 to 4 days
• EtG is only evident when alcohol is consumed and is not produced as a result of fermentation
• Allows monitoring in alcohol treatment programs
• Acts as an early warning system to detect t rends towards relapse
• Tests are performed by LC/MS/MS on state of the art equipment for accuracy and reliability
• Thirty-six hour turnaround time from receipt of specimen
• EtG may be run on urine specimens in conjunction with other drug testing panels
How long can EtG be detected in urine?
Traditional laboratory methods detect the actual alcohol in the body, which reflects current use within the past few hours (depending on how much is consumed). The presence of EtG in urine indicates that ethanol was ingested within the previous 3 to 4 days, or approximately 80 hours after ethanol is eliminated from the body. Therefore, EtG is a more accurate indicator of the recent injection of alcohol than measuring for the presence of ethanol itself.
How accurate and reliable is the EtG test?
EtG is a direct metabolite of alcohol (ethanol), and its detection in urine is highly specific, similar to testing for other drugs. Add to this, our lab utilizes the most sophisticated, sensitive, and specific equipment and technology available, LC/MS/MS, to screen, confirm, and quantitate EtG. This methodology provides highly accurate results. A in the case with any laboratory test, it is also very important to obtain clinical correlation.
Can residual EtG be detected in the urine of long-term alcoholics who abstain?
Studies indicate that alcoholics in abstinence have no detectable levels of EtG in their urine after approximately 80 hours of detoxification.
What about urine alcohol produced by fermentation?
EtG is only detected in urine when alcohol is consumed. This is important since it is possible to have alcohol in urine without drinking. Alcohol in urine without drinking is due to the production of ethanol in vitro. Ethanol in vitro is spontaneously produced in the bladder or the specimen container itself, due to fermentation of urine samples containing sugars (diabetes) and yeast or bacteria. Since the ethanol produced is not metabolized by the liver, EtG will not be produced and will therefore not be detected in a urine containing alcohol as a result of fermentation.
How stable is EtG in urine?
Studies show that EtG is stable in urine for more than 4 days at room temperature. Recent experiments indicate that heating urine to 100 degrees C actually increased the stability of EtG. Therefore, heat does not cause the breakdown of EtG, it actually increases stability. In addition, no artificial formation of EtG was found to occur following the prolonged storage of urine at room temperature fortified with 1% ethanol.
In general, what methods are used to detect EtG?
Methods to detect EtG include immunoassay (EIA or ELISA), gas chromatography/mass spectrometry (GC/MS), liquid chromatography/mass spectrometry (LC/MS), and liquid chromatography/mass spectrometry/mass spectrometry (LC/MS/MS). Immunoassay methods are of limited specificity and sensitivity with a limit of detection of approximately 1000 ng/mL. GC/MS and LC/MS methods are much more specific than immunoassay, and offer detection limits of approximately 500 ng/mL.
LC/MS/MS methods utilize the most technologically advanced instrumentation currently available in forensic and clinical toxicology and provide the highest sensitivity. Our lab utilizes an LC/MS/MS instrument for the confirmation of EtG, which has a limit of detection of 250 ng/mL.
Will the use of incidental alcohol, such as mouthwash and
Over-the-Counter (OTC) cough syrups trigger a positive result?
Tests show that “incidental exposure” to the chronic use of food product (vanilla extract), hygiene products, mouthwash, or OTC medications (cough syrups) can produce EtG concentrations in excess of 100 ng/mL. However, if measurable ethanol is detected (greater than .04 gm%) in the urine, and EtG is also detected in excess of 250 ng/mL, then this is very strong evidence that beverage alcohol was consumed.
Most alcohol abstinence programs require an agreement to avoid all products containing alcohol, including: mouthwash, Nyquil, OTC medications, etc. Consumption of these products could produce a positive test for alcohol and/or EtG and would thus violate this agreement.
Where can I order a urine ETG alcohol test?
Please call us at 800-989-1206.
Drug Testing Network, Inc.®
958 Postal Way, Ste 6-B
Vista, California 92083
Phone: 1-800-989-1206 • 760-940-2015
Fax: 760-940-0345
Copyright 2008 ©
All rights reserved.
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ok folks, I am from Wisconsin. I have 30 months on an Intoxalock. I started almost a year ago. I have had numerous problems with this device. I was in Jail when my driver who was using my car blew a fail because she used her inhaler (she has asthma). Ok? I can explain that away. I was told that big macs have alcohol in the special sauce and it will flunk you. I wont dispute that salad dressing will give a false positive. If you drive a van and you are going home with a can of fuel for your lawnmower, and it tips over and leaks, when ya get home hang the unit out the window and open the windows, or it will say you have been dead for hours. I dont know how high the meter goes, but of course I have seen people acting normal at .75. it was when they got down to .28 then they almost died. They NEVER drove anywhere. I thankfully, was never able to take that level of abuse. i would die.
So intoxalock messed up on me when I left the door open and the battery went dead. Or it was 'cause I just got it recalibrated and the installer did NOT tighten up the screws on that serial cable! So it thought it was tampered with. I got out of my work and the lights were flashing on and off. It started. I pushed the button a hundred times. It gave me an error code. Or it said keys are on. I live over 20 miles from work so I just ran the backroads home and as soon as i got home, the horn blew and WOULD NOT STOP. So I turned the headlights off and the horn stopped and the running lights kept blinking. After a few hours I woke up and the battery was dead, the unit said low voltage, I put on a charger. I noticed the installer did not tighten the connections down so I tightened them down till I could not turn them farther without a tool. I DID contact Intoxalock as soon as I got home and I had a lockout so they shipped me another unit. I was highly disturbed....When I charged up the battery and tightened the connections it worked just fine, tho it still said service required in so many hours.
Intoxalock will give you false readings. i dont think it can be helped. Dont eat or let anything containing alcohol enter your car. The DMV wont believe you no matter what you say. If your stuck in the country, consider milking goats at a hippy commune. Seriously consider getting some anti-angziety medication and taping some tablets to the back of the unit.
Ya'll have a fantastic life and stay away from five-oh. Or dauh fuzz, da man...whatever. Good luck.
So intoxalock messed up on me when I left the door open and the battery went dead. Or it was 'cause I just got it recalibrated and the installer did NOT tighten up the screws on that serial cable! So it thought it was tampered with. I got out of my work and the lights were flashing on and off. It started. I pushed the button a hundred times. It gave me an error code. Or it said keys are on. I live over 20 miles from work so I just ran the backroads home and as soon as i got home, the horn blew and WOULD NOT STOP. So I turned the headlights off and the horn stopped and the running lights kept blinking. After a few hours I woke up and the battery was dead, the unit said low voltage, I put on a charger. I noticed the installer did not tighten the connections down so I tightened them down till I could not turn them farther without a tool. I DID contact Intoxalock as soon as I got home and I had a lockout so they shipped me another unit. I was highly disturbed....When I charged up the battery and tightened the connections it worked just fine, tho it still said service required in so many hours.
Intoxalock will give you false readings. i dont think it can be helped. Dont eat or let anything containing alcohol enter your car. The DMV wont believe you no matter what you say. If your stuck in the country, consider milking goats at a hippy commune. Seriously consider getting some anti-angziety medication and taping some tablets to the back of the unit.
Ya'll have a fantastic life and stay away from five-oh. Or dauh fuzz, da man...whatever. Good luck.
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These things are suck a pain in the ASS I am having mine removed!
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I have a question.... so my husband got a dui in Alaska and got a revoked license. He got out of the military and we went back to IL. He works in TN but I stay in IL with our vehicle. In order to get his license back he has to get an interlock system. The loan for the truck is in his name, but I drive it, not him, and the insurance is in my name. He has his motorcycle ( that he got the dui on). ... since the insurance is in my name, do I need to get the interlock system in our vehicle? And with his bike he has to have a special kind of license that he isn't planning on getting until later, so how would that work? I'm extremely nervous about this because I have read a lot of bad things about it, and I've heard they have problems with the cold. Today its negative 12 degrees, what happens if it malfunctions and I cant get to work?
Thank you for your time,
Thank you for your time,
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The insurance in your name does not matter. Any vehicle reistered to him needs an interlock. Motorcycles may not be fitted for them so check on that. If he is caught driving a vehicle without an interlock in IL while on resctriction it is a felony with mandatory jailtime.
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the ignition lock program is a absolute scam and a major ripoff i don"t have the time to write what i went through in albany ny 21/2 years agomy case was just cleared this past dec 2013 .thats right 3 drinks 21/2 years.i telling you now something has to be done about this device.if any of get pulled over
tell your lawyer and the court i 'am not putting this device in my car if enough people do this some body is boun to the message.
tell your lawyer and the court i 'am not putting this device in my car if enough people do this some body is boun to the message.
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It would probably be best for you if you put the vehicle in your name. Then you won't need an IID in it. Of course your husband won't be able to drive it, but if he doesn't drive it anyway, no big deal.
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Anyone who tries to tell you that the IID does not pose a hazard to everyone on the road (not only the driver) clearly has never used such a device. The manufacturers and installers tell you that the safest way to administer a retest is to pull over onto a shoulder. Most busy highways in the New York metro area do not have shoulders. If one is fortunate enough to find one just as the alarm for a rolling test goes off, I would ask IID proponents to attempt pulling over on the Long Island Expressway, at night, onto a sheet of ice 3 inches thick, during inclement weather and bring the car to a full stop in the 3 or 4 minutes they give you to blow. Then, having passed the test, proceed to pull back into heavy traffic at night, while the car fishtails on the icy shoulder. Sounds safe. Great idea. Might as well do it blindfolded too.
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I so agree!! It is past time. Maybe we should sue the ATF they allow the alcohol to be sold??
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