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Thanks.
I might try them. Do you have to hum with that one?

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> Bread, donuts and other food in dentures etc,
> cause false positives!!!!!!!


False positive means a positive reading when there is no alcohol present. A fail after having bread or donuts or products that contain ethyl alcohol are not FALSE. You have to understand that bread and donuts have yeast in them. Products that contain yeast and have heat added to them creates sugar alcohol. Convenience store pizza can create the same effect. To avoid getting a TRUE POSITIVE reading you must just rinse your mouth with water before you take the test. All manufacturers provide instructions to do such on their contracts. It is a common misconception that this is a false positive and it is not.

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well guess this site can be good or bad for me ,,, I am in the early stages of dui penalties ,,,, I am located in Massachusetts any one know what the least problematic system is and costs for devices ,,,, seems like theres no life recovery for a mistake like this ,,,,almost feel like they should toss me in jail forever ,,, I mean its not enough I lost my job ,,payed fines ,,,payed for a 14 day inpatient treatment program,,,pay for 26 weeks of out patient treatment ,,,the cost of money for public transportation to get here and there ,,,,,the raised insurance ,,,the cost for license renewl fee ,,,,,then have to deal with this interlock BS which after reading stories here going to have other potential issues with employment and registry etc ,,,,makes me sick,,,, oh and before you righteous people lay into me bout how wrong I was ,,,save your breath ,,,, drinking water or coffee and other actions while driving is breaking the law its just not enforced ,,,, people make mistakes but IMO shouldn't have to live with financial burdens forever ///loss of license forever ,,,,

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I just got the interlock device installed day before yesterday and it's been going fine until this morning. I didn't realize that because of having a few glasses of wine at home the night before would cause me to fail the next morning going to work. I did a re-test 5 minutes after the first try and failed it again. I did not try to start the car I just left and got my neighbor to take me to work. What should I do now? I'm brand new at this and it's freaking me out.

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What state are you in?
What device do you have?

If by "few", which is commonly thought of at 3 or so, then that would not cause you to fail the next day.

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I am in NC and I have the new QuicTest version QT 1L. The night before my friend and I shared a bottle of wine to celebrate her Birthday and I figured it would be out of my system by the next day. It could have also be a problem because I overslept and woke up just in time to throw clothes and brush teeth and get out the door and forgetting I used Listerine mouthwash. My appointment at Monitech is tomorrow so I'm worried about because I just got my license back last week.

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It would be a good idea that you educate yourself on BAC and the quantity of drinks that will affect it. Will save you headaches in the future.

I'm pretty sure all literature says to not use any products with alcohol in them due to them interfering with the results. But two fails in a row is bad. Plus, the mouthwash starts to dissipate as soon as you spit it out. so your initial fail would have had to been within a few mins of spitting it out, then if you waited 5 mins to try again it should have been fine. But swishing with water can help you out

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I have done so much research on these devices and let me tell you, all these things are POS. Let me begin by stating ( Don't Drink & Drive) I am not responsible for you are what you do with what I am about to tell you! If you kill someone your a POS and I hope you get GANGBANGED in PRISON

Let me begin by saying the government cannot force you to buy something it is illegal. They get away with this by saying you have two options (get one or dont Drive)

all interlocks SUCK

Interlocks are the biggest scam EVER! Most state laws state they need servicing every 60 days, why do I have to recal. every MONTH? IID companies are milking us thats why!


MADD is trying to get every state to change their BAC limit to 0.05. that is going to turn everyone into a Drunk Driver!

lets take a look a how unreliable and just how easy it is to manipulate IIDs

so to everyone that has thought about manipulating, your probably thinking about it from the wrong perspective, Let me explain. Every IID company has different IID units that have different features. These features are designed to fool us into believing that in order for us to get through one "safety feature" we are going to get caught by another "Safety Feature" which will result in a tampering charge. So screw the developers they want us to believe its hopeless to manipulate there almighty fool prof IID. I think not! I am going to explain just how easy it is to be SWAzTED DRUNK and PASS the BLOWER!

Developers and company owners are going to shit there pants when they find out what I am about to share with the world. MADD is about to FLIP

Literally LETS GET STARTED

This is the first mistake People people make, They think that they can get past the tampering features, which that is what the developers and COPS want you to do. But this is the thing! instead of trying to rewire your whole car or provide bogus samples, try this. Take a step back and take a deep look at your blow-in-go! Contemplate the technology technology it uses.

Most people think that IID is ONE thing. However its actually a sophisticated combination of outdated technology that has a bunch of bells and whistles.

They want you to believe that IID is state of the art and 10 years ahead on right now! This is false their PATENTS are from 1989. So in all actuality their 24 years behind!

So when you google how the interlock works you get a bunch of BS videos on how to use interlocks

COMMON INTERLOCK KNOWLEDGE (What they Want you to KNOW)
the IID has to warm up to configure
i have to keep blowing after i start the car
the device is a timer, recorder, and analyser
it has back up batteries in case power is lost
comes with tamper tap
comes with vocalization technology
It cost me 60 a month to have it re-calibrated
The calibration software is not available to the public

There are hundreds of IID products on the market all have their differences, but forget about differences lets compare the one similarity every IID has in common.
So What does every interlock device have in common?... The answer... A fuel cell sensor, which is an (electrochemical device) AKA the thing that calculates BAC. So unbelievably the breath sample technology is mostly the same in all interlock devices.

Think about it like this, Say computer technology never advanced and everyone still had windows 95 but your anti virus software was Norton 2013. That is what happened to IID. So if you have a IID fuel cells are mow the KEY to your car!

(FACT) IID are still using 1980 fuel cell technology and the only thing changing in IID is the tamper features.... Hhhhmm

So WTF if a FUEL Cell

Its a electrochemical device looks like a three layer SANDWICH. When you blow into the IID your breath is passing around this triple layer fuel cell, a reaction occurs and a small amount of electricity is produced. So to make it short and sweet alcohol (ethanol), undergoes a chemical oxidation reaction at a catalytic electrode surface (platinum) to generate a quantitative electrical response. The position on the catalyst where this occurs is known as an “active site” and is on an intermolecular scale, measured in nanometers. Whenever a molecule is oxidized it loses electrons. During the fuel cell reaction, the electrons which are lost from the alcohol molecule are transferred to the platinum electrode (the fuel cell anode). The stronger the current of electricity the higher your BAC.

So what is the key element that makes this reaction happen.... The Answer is (Platinum)
So how can we stop this reaction from taking place? the answer is we cant, NOT without tearing the blower apart, which is bad news bears. But If there is a will there is a way to manipulate the IID. Lets take a closer look at the oxidation process

OXIDATION OF ALCOHOL
As the exhaled air from the suspect flows past one side of the fuel cell, the platinum oxidizes any alcohol in the air to produce acetic acid, protons and electrons.
The electrons flow through a wire from the platinum electrode. The wire is connected to an electrical-current meter and to the platinum electrode on the other side.
So we now understand that a chemical reaction occurs inside the IID and that electrons are bad. We understand that the platinum acts as a catalyst speeding up the chemical reaction separating electrons thus creating a small electric circuit. So know we know how it works

Now comes the fun part! MANIPULATION TIME

We have ONE vulnerability that we can use to our advantage and manipulate the device
SO WHAT IS IT?

The conductivity of platinum
So could this could be the Achilles heel of the almighty interlock? (lets explore)

manipulate the conductivity of the Platinum by restricting the amount of electrons or strain the fuel cells.

I did some reseach on fuel cells and found out from the TOP manufacture that Old fuel cells never die, they only fade away. In theory they are everlasting (short of gross contamination). In practice, they get slower and slower owing to some combination of poisoning and slow surface area loss of the platinum catalyst.
So why is platinum used in IID
The primary use of platinum and other platinum metals is as catalysts the second reason (Conductivity). A catalyst is a substance used to speed up or slow down a chemical reaction without undergoing any change itself.
so what if we were able to corrode the platinum to reduce the chemical reaction inside the interlock?.... answer you cant corrode platinum because Platinum is a NOBLE metal. So this leaves us stumped.........
does the developers have it all figured ? is it impossible to tamper with the IID in such a way that no body will know? ..... The ANSWER!

If there is a WILL there is a WAY, Time to fight fire with FIRE

My fool prof method to start a car with an IID while being drunk
If the developers are going to utilize a NOBLE metal to ensure an accurate electric current, I will utilize a NOBLE gas... (inert gas)... to restrict the chemical reaction thus causing ruduced electrical voltage enabling me to start my car.
you cannot stop the chemical reaction totally in my method, I will explain later!

So what are NOBLE gases?
helium (He), neon (Ne), argon (Ar), krypton (Kr), xenon (Xe),

This is a sure 100% fool prof. method on how to beat the IID.

Step 1. obtain a small tank with hose of an Inert gas (helium (He), neon (Ne), argon (Ar), krypton (Kr), xenon (Xe),
Step 2. Set tank regulator to +1.4 psi this is the typical human lung psi
Step 3. Get an air needle from WALMART ( the kind that inflates basket balls, bikes, etc)
Step 4. Get an extra Mouthpiece from the RE-calibration Tech.
Step 5. Take a lighter and heat the tip of the needle.
Step.6 insert in into the side of the IID Mouthpiece, burn it threw the plastic
step 7. Connect the hose to the tank and the mouthpiece, then place mouthpiece in the IID
Step 8. Turn your ignition on wait for the interlock to ask for a sample, then Simultaneous turn the valve on, at the same you lightly blow-humm. When the sample time has ended quickly remove the mouth piece and start your CAR. Dont forget to turn your inert gas off. If it asks you for a rolling test pull over Continue steps when needed

I am not responsible for anything! this is for informational purposes only. Don't Drive Drunk!

HSU SAMBO 501 St17 6335

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i have a device in my car since dec10 2012 it is now may 2013 i have used the car twice since then.the device is fine however my voice tone is not
have a history of asthma/respiratory issues.every time i blow into it it reads abort hum and other .it seems
i'am always clearing my throat.i can't my car out of the drive not to mention driving to med appt in which i have cancelled alng with my gym membership.i'am scared to death if i do go out i won't get it started again.i'am trying to get it removed after 6 months.i wish you all good luck

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Listerine, are you serious ? Rookie mistake.

Might as well have got totally hammered.

Time is the only way. if you have drinks, example 8 beers, .16 / .015 = 10.66 hours minimum waiting time.

Also depends on the alcohol content. Just words of wisdom don't blow again if you fail.

This is how they are going to screw you. Don't let this happen to you.

If you have more than a lockout, like 2, you will have a hearing.

And they are zero tolerance, and of course morons.

Stop messing around, this isn't funny.

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Just curious.why does the smart start have so many problems (as per the number of user complaints), and why do they require the hum as well as the blow?

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the hum is so people can not circumvent by using compressed air.

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Thanks the use of metal detectors for gold which is a lot of fun and the search for the unknown, they are a good hobby you may be due

some money when you find some old coins, or gold, or jewelry, it's really fun

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To Sambo:

I am really disgusted that you would post that mess on here. Yes, there are some lifelong criminal-types who get dui's, and also try to beat the device while all the while continuing to drive heavily.

But MOST of us are just trying the best we can to get through the program and get our lives back in order. Many of us dont even drink at all. WE do not want to "beat" the system, we want to get through and survive the system.

Don't post stuff like this; you make it bad for everyone else, who do NOT have a criminal mind-set.

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Ok installer man... glorified car stereo or window installer.. what/where is your proof that the devices are 'far more accurate' and U know better than ALL the ppl on this forum that are saying they arn't? Your own exp. simply blowing into these devices once in a while as part of your job? Have you had one in your vehicle for any length of time and had to deal with it on an ongoing day to day basis? I just had one of these piece of shit things put in my car today, and already have had issues with it. (alcolock LR) Right from the get go, in the parking lot at the install place; first try, "HUM LOUDER". wtf..?

Let me just say first off, that the 'trainer' even said she was "impressed" that I was able to pick up the hum/blow technique right away, and did FIVE consecutive tests in a row, and honestly didn't have any conserns about THAT causing me problems. (Also being a musician/singer, I know how to control my breathing and hold a tone/pitch.) So I did it again, and it let me start the car. 5 mins later, as I'm merging onto a 3 lane highway, heavy traffic, the thing starts beeping at me for a re-test. Annoing to say the least..

I find it interesting that its against the law (here in Ontario anyway) to use a mobile phone or electronic device while operating a vehicle.. but this stupid thing can NOT be muted, and has a cord dangleing out of it you have to deal with whilst blowing into it, and you HAVE to opperate it..by law.... and there are instances where it is NOT safe to pull over and stop your car to re-test. Such as in the middle lane of 3 lanes of heavy trafic moving at 100+ kph, and no shoulder to pull onto (snow banks or guard rail.. not a great parking place..)

So anyway.. I drove about 40 mins, all was well, got to my destination. (work, which I had to loose MORE time from to get this thing put in) .. a few more starts later in the day gave me no troube. Ok, this thing aint so bad.. dum dum dum... I work late, its now quite cold outside and the unit takes a while to warm up.. ok, I knew this would happen.. But it starts. I decide to go grab a slice of pizza (no food at home :P ) But I do NOT EAT IT. I'm not gona take any chances here, just want to get home, its been a long day.. get it to go, I'll heat it up when I get back to my house. No smokeing, no drink, no ANYTHING for at least 30 mins before this.. I get back in my car in front of the the pizza place, rinse mouth with some water, start to blow and unit instatly buzzes:

"HUM LOUDER" ...fuck sakes... So I hum louder..

EEHHH "invalid sample 01" Ok.. wait, blow again

EEHHH "invalid sample 01" ...you are fucking kidding me..

I take out a new mouth piece, pop it in, blow again..

(you guessed it..) "INVALID SAMPLE 01"

So I pull the cord out of the stupid thing, wait a min and plug it back in.. wait again for warm up, and FINALY (after 20 mins in the cold now, I can barely feel my fingers) the god forsaken piece of shit acceps a sample and lets me start the car. And this is just day one.

Thank you MADD, you have fucked me and thousands of INOCCENT people over, in the name of 'protection of lives' and punished people who comitted no crime. Well done, OH.. and you make a shit load of money off it too! How good for you!! At best, it's nothing more than a knee jerk reaction that solves nothing and doesn't prevent shit. Never mind being 'drunk' or impaired, I'm so god damn angry now I might have a psycotic episode while driving and just start running people down with my car..
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